May 16, 2024

Part One: Professor David Bell of Princeton joins us to talk about his recent piece at The Nation: “For Emmanuel Macron, How Did Things Get So Bad, So Fast?” A look at where Macron came from, and the forces that shaped him.

Dr. Bell is a historian of early modern France, with particular interest in the political culture of the Old Regime and the French Revolution.

Part Two: We speak with Krishnadev Calamur of The Atlantic about his recent piece about the Trump administration moving to deport Vietnamese war refugees, “Trump Moves to Deport Vietnam War Refugees,” and then we go back to a piece he wrote last month, “A Functional Immigration System Would Look Nothing Like America’s”