May 19, 2024

The Attitude is taking the day off. We’re rebroadcasting a couple of conversations we’ve had with interesting women about interesting women.

Part One: Margot Mifflin on her piece in Vice, “The Renegade Miss Americas Who Spat on the Pageant’s Ideals.” A look at Miss Americas of the past, present, and why do we have this pageant anyhow?

Part Two: Elizabeth Heinemen is a professor of History and Gender at the University of Iowa. She joins us to talk about her recent piece at the conversation.com about Beate Uhse, who built an erotica empire in Germany that was comparable to the empire Hugh Hefner built in the US.