May 19, 2024

Part One: Mel Goodman on returning N. Korea to the terrorist blacklist, Russia, China, the state of the State Department, diplomacy and policy. Melvin A. Goodman is a senior fellow at the Center for International Policy, a former CIA analyst, an author, and a whole lot more. His CV is impressive.

Part Two:  Saudi Arabia – the recent high level purge reminded us that we need to know more. We speak to Murtaza Hussein, a journalist whose recent piece at the intercept is called: “Saudi Arabia’s Incompetence Would be Comical if it Weren’t Killing So Many People.”